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he also spent part of his time here in dagestan. we have been able to confirm as well, that he frequented a mosque in town. that has rather checkered history. this is a salafi mosque and the salafi brand of islam is a much more -- excuse me, am i being interrupted? excuse me? >> andrea, i'm being interrupted here. trying to set up for an interview. and -- >> adrienne -- do what you need to do. we don't want you to jeopardize either an interview or your safety. so adrienne, you do what you need to do there in dagestan, we understand that there are a lot of local sensitivities. and we will check back with you. thank you very much. >> okay. thank you very much. >> it is bruce rydell with the brookings institution, he spent three decades with the c.i.a., a former member of the national security council as well. bruce, you know this area well. we're talking about chich nia, we're talking about dagestan. there has been no known record that i know of that most experts know of, of chechen violence against u.s. targets. it's always been agai
he also spent part of his time here in dagestan. we have been able to confirm as well, that he frequented a mosque in town. that has rather checkered history. this is a salafi mosque and the salafi brand of islam is a much more -- excuse me, am i being interrupted? excuse me? >> andrea, i'm being interrupted here. trying to set up for an interview. and -- >> adrienne -- do what you need to do. we don't want you to jeopardize either an interview or your safety. so adrienne, you do...
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now dagestan is a small russian republic. it's in the north caucasus and it has had a tubled history especially in recent years where chechen militants have come across a porous border and brought their separatist attacks here. back to you, alex. >> adrienne mong, thank you for that. >>> ongoing meetings to review the latest in the boston marathon investigation. and joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, a good sunday morning to you. big questions of whether or not dzhokhar tsarnaev will be charged as an enemy combatant. what do we know about where the white house is leaning? >> reporter: the white house is convinced the way this is being handled presently is the way it should be handled. that krcriticism about whether not tsarnaev should be handled as an enemy combatant is coming from republican lawmakers, john mccain and lindsey graham, kelly ayotte, and new york's representative, peter king. let's give you a accepts where this is right now. so law enforcement enacted basically an effor
now dagestan is a small russian republic. it's in the north caucasus and it has had a tubled history especially in recent years where chechen militants have come across a porous border and brought their separatist attacks here. back to you, alex. >> adrienne mong, thank you for that. >>> ongoing meetings to review the latest in the boston marathon investigation. and joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, a good sunday morning to you. big...
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they are in sochi which is very, very close to dagestan and chechnya. you can be sure the permanent crackdown that exists in that rege will get more draconian with time and this example will be used. i should say the russian behavior in that region has been brutal and he's tried to excuse it. they've gone way too far very often. despite the radicalization of that region. >> how smart is russian intelligence in tracking the movements and training, if there was any, the radicalization, if there was any, during that six-month period over there in that region? >> well, traditionally in the old soviet union, the smartest elites, whether you liked them or not, and we certainly didn't, had no reason to, gravitated toward the intelligence services. andre, the great dissident, always used to say that reform may well come from inside the kgb, ironically enough, because that's the area where people are the most worldly. they have languages and so on. there's a lot of manpower and intellectual power, ironically, in the secret services. that's where putin, himself,
they are in sochi which is very, very close to dagestan and chechnya. you can be sure the permanent crackdown that exists in that rege will get more draconian with time and this example will be used. i should say the russian behavior in that region has been brutal and he's tried to excuse it. they've gone way too far very often. despite the radicalization of that region. >> how smart is russian intelligence in tracking the movements and training, if there was any, the radicalization, if...
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who did he visit in dagestan? does it have any relationship to these unspecified underground groups that the russians referred to in their original request to the fbi? third, you come back to the united states. by this point he clearly seems to be thoroughly radicalized. he sets up that youtube account filled with jihadjihadi videos. we have reports from radical tendencies even from people within his own mosque. who was he in contact with in the boston area? i think those are the biggest questions now facing investigators and people looking at how the fbi handled this case. >> michael isikoff, i got to leave it there. you're right. we got to figure out did the kgb not tell our guys or russian intelligence not tell our guys everything that they knew at the time? and will they tell us now? anyway, michael, thank you very much. >>> gaggle will be here next. running a little bit late. first white house soup of the day. riballita. sounds good. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ i've got the power people lose 5x more weight f
who did he visit in dagestan? does it have any relationship to these unspecified underground groups that the russians referred to in their original request to the fbi? third, you come back to the united states. by this point he clearly seems to be thoroughly radicalized. he sets up that youtube account filled with jihadjihadi videos. we have reports from radical tendencies even from people within his own mosque. who was he in contact with in the boston area? i think those are the biggest...
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and i think that possibly in his trip to dagestan, the older one was introduced extremist thoughts and generalized view of the narrative for these groups is muslims are under attack all over the world, we have to strike western powers. and we did see on his website that tamerlan was feeling great sympathy for the syrians who also are facing a heavy-handed fist right now in their uprising. >> dan, we read today in the "wall street journal" tamerlan tsarnaev nearly wore out his welcome at a local mosque in cambridge. he reportedly got angry over the celebration of martin luther king day. he even got angry at a butcher who was selling thanksgiving turkeys. what does that say to you about his mindset? >> well, it's clear looking at it from an investigative perspective that tamerlan was angry. and had a propensity toward violence. i mean, we have a potential domestic violence charge. conveniently he found boxing as an avenue for his energies. you know, martin, violence is a disease that plagued the human heart from the beginning of time. despite the pain it causes, you have to remember ther
and i think that possibly in his trip to dagestan, the older one was introduced extremist thoughts and generalized view of the narrative for these groups is muslims are under attack all over the world, we have to strike western powers. and we did see on his website that tamerlan was feeling great sympathy for the syrians who also are facing a heavy-handed fist right now in their uprising. >> dan, we read today in the "wall street journal" tamerlan tsarnaev nearly wore out his...
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this is reaction from the republic of dagestan. it may provide some clues on how tamerlan tsarnaev spent his time during a six-month trip to the region in 2012. adrian long is joining me. what have you uncovered? >> reporter: hi, good day, alex. well, it's still pretty tough to retrace tamerlan's steps. what we do know so far was that he did appear to have visited a local mosque. it's basically a version of islam that's practiced in a very pure form that's very popular here in dagestan. we spoke to a couple of people outside this mosque about an hour and a half ago. one person said that he does remember seeing tamerlan, and when we asked him how he remembered, why did he remember, he said it was because tamerlan really stood out. he was a tall and very athletic looking man. said this young man. and because tamerlan is from the u.s. anybody from the u.s. would stand out in a place like the capital of dagestan. it's a very small city. the republic itself of dagestan the, you know, only about three million people. and, of course, they
this is reaction from the republic of dagestan. it may provide some clues on how tamerlan tsarnaev spent his time during a six-month trip to the region in 2012. adrian long is joining me. what have you uncovered? >> reporter: hi, good day, alex. well, it's still pretty tough to retrace tamerlan's steps. what we do know so far was that he did appear to have visited a local mosque. it's basically a version of islam that's practiced in a very pure form that's very popular here in dagestan....
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contents of fireworks as a component. 5,000 miles away, fbi agents were in the russian province of dagestan to interview the parents of the bombing suspects. the mother insists her sons could not be terrorists. >> what's happened is a terrible thing but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i'm mother. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> charges against the mississippi man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and senator wicker has been dropped. investigators are looking at the home of a new suspect. tracie potts has the latest. >> reporter: good morning. dropped apparently for lack of evidence. they searched the suspect's home and found no traces, no evidence at all of ricin, this after paul kevin curtis spent one week behind bars. the mississippi man accused of sending those letters to senator wicker, to president obama and to a mississippi judge. but after being released he spoke with his attorney and said that he's looking forward to getting back to normal. here's more of what he said. >> i respect president obama, i love my country
contents of fireworks as a component. 5,000 miles away, fbi agents were in the russian province of dagestan to interview the parents of the bombing suspects. the mother insists her sons could not be terrorists. >> what's happened is a terrible thing but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i'm mother. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> charges against the mississippi man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and...
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>> joining me from dagestan, russia, is nbc's adrian mong. this is a grieving mother who has her own set of information, which is not necessarily what really happened. but there must be a real, a real -- gap here between what we believe happened, in boston and what she is being told or what she believes. >> absolutely right. there is a gap. you could call it a disconnect. but i would be a bit cautious. at times even though the mother did seem genuinely distressed, at times there seemed to be a bit of theater. she did say a couple of remarkable things. one is that they have been in touch with the lawyers representing her son, dzhokhar in hospital. she said that the lawyers told her that he had not been questioned yet. she said her son, in trying to describe his condition. she said that he can't even write, he can't even speak. and that they have not questioned him. because the lawyers told her that he he was not in any condition fit to be questioned. so she questioned everybody, where is this information coming from? and has accused the media
>> joining me from dagestan, russia, is nbc's adrian mong. this is a grieving mother who has her own set of information, which is not necessarily what really happened. but there must be a real, a real -- gap here between what we believe happened, in boston and what she is being told or what she believes. >> absolutely right. there is a gap. you could call it a disconnect. but i would be a bit cautious. at times even though the mother did seem genuinely distressed, at times there...
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and in fact, there have been two wars fought in chechnya, which neighbors dagestan, since the soviet union breakup in the early '90s. there have been a number of terrorist bombings attacks in russia as a result of the separatist movement, both in chechnya and in dagestan. there have been some relatives in dagestan who have actually come out, we spoke to a cousin just now to said that if they saw dzhokhar now, they would slap him. they do seem to believe, in their conversation with us, that it was possible that he was guilty. back to you. >> adrienne mong, sounds like some of the family there agrees with the uncle here. >>> meanwhile, back here in the united states, investigators will do two things to help paint a picture of the brothers. they have already been talking to family and friends, as we just heard there from adrienne, to try to get a sense of who they were and how they lived. they will also pore over their lives on social media, looking at their twitter and facebook the can accounts. evan coleman is a terrorist analyst, and he studieds jihadi chat rooms and social networkin
and in fact, there have been two wars fought in chechnya, which neighbors dagestan, since the soviet union breakup in the early '90s. there have been a number of terrorist bombings attacks in russia as a result of the separatist movement, both in chechnya and in dagestan. there have been some relatives in dagestan who have actually come out, we spoke to a cousin just now to said that if they saw dzhokhar now, they would slap him. they do seem to believe, in their conversation with us, that it...
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how much of that radicalization took place in dagestan, but i don't know that we can conclude from this there will be more arrested? >> there there are some reports out that nbc has yet to confirm, but they suggest russian intelligence wiretapped conversation between the mother and tamerlan in which they discuss jihad. can you tell me if those tapes existened and if so what is speaking on them? >> i think it's been disclosed that there was a wire intercept, that was the basis of why the russians provided this lead to us. we don't have much more than that, and my guess is the russians do. if they were eve dropping on the mother or some other suspect that the mother was in contact with, there had to be reason why they went up on those people. they don't choose them at ran democrat. so the question is why were they listening to her conversations. we republican haven't gotten that information yet, so i think there's more to this than they've been willing to share. so the whys we don't know yet, but do you know whether the fbi has listened to those tapes yet? >> i don't know that they were a
how much of that radicalization took place in dagestan, but i don't know that we can conclude from this there will be more arrested? >> there there are some reports out that nbc has yet to confirm, but they suggest russian intelligence wiretapped conversation between the mother and tamerlan in which they discuss jihad. can you tell me if those tapes existened and if so what is speaking on them? >> i think it's been disclosed that there was a wire intercept, that was the basis of why...
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the family have lived in dagestan. the patients have been there for the last few years. this is a small russian republic which borders iran with a population of 3 million. it is a lace that's known for its very troubled and violent relationship with moscow, especially with the neighboring country. both of these places have been responsible -- have generated groups that have been responsible for terrorist attacks in russia itself and, of course, there have been the two chechen wars since the breakup of the soviet union. it's believed a local television station said that the father was actually taken into custody last night for questioning by the russian intelligence, but he was released a few hours later. back to you. >> okay. adrienne mong, thank you. >>> tamerlan tar nsarnaev had already popped up on the fbi's radar. roger cressey joins me. good to see you. >> you, too, alex. >> we know back in 2011 the fbi was asked by a foreign government to investigate tamerlan. he was preparing to travel to join some underground groups reportedly. how unusual is it for a foreign gov
the family have lived in dagestan. the patients have been there for the last few years. this is a small russian republic which borders iran with a population of 3 million. it is a lace that's known for its very troubled and violent relationship with moscow, especially with the neighboring country. both of these places have been responsible -- have generated groups that have been responsible for terrorist attacks in russia itself and, of course, there have been the two chechen wars since the...
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the two responsible for the bombings were living in dagestan then. the one on the run that's now in custody was in the first grade. the family fled. they made their way to kazakhstan. they then made their way to the u.s. and got asylum. the uncle spoke of the way the family came to the united states, where they came from, and his rage, his almost unadult rated rage at his nephews for what he described as them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this? >> being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselv themselves. these are the only reasons i can imagine of. anything else, anything else to do with religion, with islam, that's a fraud, that's a fake. of course, we're ashamed. yes, we're ashamed. they're children of my brother. i respect this country. i love this country. this country which gives chance to everybody else to be treated as a human being, as to be just a human being, to feel yourself as a hue manl being, that's what i feel about this people. people are ashamed. people are ashamed in our famil
the two responsible for the bombings were living in dagestan then. the one on the run that's now in custody was in the first grade. the family fled. they made their way to kazakhstan. they then made their way to the u.s. and got asylum. the uncle spoke of the way the family came to the united states, where they came from, and his rage, his almost unadult rated rage at his nephews for what he described as them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this?...
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what's the latest on the family there in dagestan? >> reporter: well, the father hasn't been seen in public the last day. of course, we all know that he spoke to a lot of media, including nbc news, when he expressed disbelief. didn't understand how this could have happened. but we're also hearing, we just heard from the father late tonight. we spoke to him on the phone and it sounds like he's planning to get legal advice. he has consulted with human rights activists. we met one actually earlier today. she said they're very concerned. the story doesn't seem to add up and one of the things they cite is the family background. this is a family that is relatively prosperous. especially because he came from the states. the children, the son they thought were very well educated. certainly one of them, dzhokhar, had seemed to adjusted to the u.s. and was enjoying life. human rights activists as well as the family don't understand what could have motivated the sons. >> the very latest, thanks again, adrienne, for keeping us up to date. >>> bac
what's the latest on the family there in dagestan? >> reporter: well, the father hasn't been seen in public the last day. of course, we all know that he spoke to a lot of media, including nbc news, when he expressed disbelief. didn't understand how this could have happened. but we're also hearing, we just heard from the father late tonight. we spoke to him on the phone and it sounds like he's planning to get legal advice. he has consulted with human rights activists. we met one actually...
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now, the parents have been living more recently in dagestan which is in the north caucuses region. now, this is a very troubled area. it's a small russian republic, but it's neighboring chechnya. both of these areas have seen a lot of conflict, particularly an active separatist group in dagestan right now, there's a mission taking place in the area to clean up what the government says is a guerrilla group. now, the mother, of course, has described her sons as good people and that they were persecuted because they were chechens and has disavowed any relationship to terrorist groups. there was an aunt in canada, though, who said in an interview when she last spoke to the elder son back in february, it appeared that he had become very religious and was praying five times a year. we believe that the father just last night after an interview with the local network was taken into custody for questioning by the russian intelligence agency. he was released a few hours later. back to you. >> really quickly before i let you go, for those who are unfamiliar with the history, explain just a li
now, the parents have been living more recently in dagestan which is in the north caucuses region. now, this is a very troubled area. it's a small russian republic, but it's neighboring chechnya. both of these areas have seen a lot of conflict, particularly an active separatist group in dagestan right now, there's a mission taking place in the area to clean up what the government says is a guerrilla group. now, the mother, of course, has described her sons as good people and that they were...
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. >> do you speculate when tamerlan tsarnaev went to dagestan for that period of six months it's possible he either met someone there who upgraded the sophistication of what he read online? >> yes, martin, i think that's probable. you know, the intelligence agencies are going to have to route that out. i think they're in the process of that right now. we don't have the answer. let's look at the facts we know. this is what we did in the police business for years. we know he started to radicalize first. because we heard the witnesses from his neighborhood. he went over for six months. what needs to be determined, was he playing on the front porch with his father or run to these fanatics like he had radical siradicalized himself? if he did, they would have supported him, nurtured him, patted him on his back in his beliefs but also may have provided instruction, practice. all that i think is very possible. the reliability of the bombs is interesting. because they carried them a long way on foot. i think they probably soldered the connections. they had them in there very tight. this is a very
. >> do you speculate when tamerlan tsarnaev went to dagestan for that period of six months it's possible he either met someone there who upgraded the sophistication of what he read online? >> yes, martin, i think that's probable. you know, the intelligence agencies are going to have to route that out. i think they're in the process of that right now. we don't have the answer. let's look at the facts we know. this is what we did in the police business for years. we know he started...
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help, is that group or individual either here in the united states or was it overseas in chechnya and dagestan? it's still quite possible they've done this on their own, from our perspective is the most frightening assessment and frightening conclusion. there was a level of complexity to this. i hate the word sophistication. there was complexity to these devices in how they were triggered that have the hallmarks of people who had some sort of external training. again, until we get the answer to questions from that group of individuals, the fbi is now interviewing, we're not going to be able to draw a final conclusion here. so it really could go either way right now, but most people assume that they did not do this on their own, but we have to see where the investigation leads. >> mike, we've been hearing a lot about the mother. she turns up on this phone call recorded by russian intelligence. tell us about that and what are the fbi thinking about what she may have encouraged her sons to be or do? >> reporter: well first of all, martin, the fbi i'm told is quite annoyed that the russians have n
help, is that group or individual either here in the united states or was it overseas in chechnya and dagestan? it's still quite possible they've done this on their own, from our perspective is the most frightening assessment and frightening conclusion. there was a level of complexity to this. i hate the word sophistication. there was complexity to these devices in how they were triggered that have the hallmarks of people who had some sort of external training. again, until we get the answer to...
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of course, what they are doing now to track down all the leads, both here as well as in chechnya and dagestan, and i, you know, i have to take issue with some of the early reports that somehow the fbi dropped the ball or the agencies weren't talking to each other. that really doesn't seem to be the case. i mean, we're just beginning this investigation, but i haven't seen evidence yet that there was some big glaring piece that was missed. the fbi did receive this as well as the cia, this nearly identical or identical inquiry from russia. the fbi followed up on it and were not able to substantiate the russian claim and went back to the russians and said tell us more, give us more to go on and the russians didn't respond so i'm not sure that we can conclude credit that we're stovepiping or some of the other problems we saw pre- 9/11. >> let's talk about some of the specifics, and i'll let you answer some of the criticism with the knowledge that you've gotten about exactly what happened, particularly about this trip. so he shows up at the airport in 2012. customs officers notice that he's on this
of course, what they are doing now to track down all the leads, both here as well as in chechnya and dagestan, and i, you know, i have to take issue with some of the early reports that somehow the fbi dropped the ball or the agencies weren't talking to each other. that really doesn't seem to be the case. i mean, we're just beginning this investigation, but i haven't seen evidence yet that there was some big glaring piece that was missed. the fbi did receive this as well as the cia, this nearly...
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tamerlan from dagestan where his father and mother still live. in an interview with "the wall street journal" their mother said tamerlan had given your boxing and drinking and smoking as he turned to a religious life and told the paper he phoned her the night he died saying, quote, the police, they have started shooting at us. they are chasing us. telling her he loved her before the phone went silent. and his uncle who lives in maryland says he believes the older brother became radicalized in cambridge and not overseas and eventually drew in his younger brother. a lot of questions how to handle the remaining suspect. >> david wrote, you wrote about the culprits. >> yeah, i spent friday looking at a lot of the youtube web sites and so on that had been visited by tamerlan and they were -- they were all jihadists. no question he was spending a lot of time looking at and listening to really highly radical islamist preachers, video that al qaeda has put out and not so private interest. he was talking about this with a circle of friends both at his mos
tamerlan from dagestan where his father and mother still live. in an interview with "the wall street journal" their mother said tamerlan had given your boxing and drinking and smoking as he turned to a religious life and told the paper he phoned her the night he died saying, quote, the police, they have started shooting at us. they are chasing us. telling her he loved her before the phone went silent. and his uncle who lives in maryland says he believes the older brother became...
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they have said that they were concerned that he had been meeting with a suspected militant here in dagestan. but the fbi maintains they have only been contacted once. >> okay. so tsarnaev's mother, the woman we were just listening to there from chechnya, she's placed on this list. it does not mean she's a suspected terrorist, correct? i mean, she's just a person of interest or there's something that has alerted u.s. authorities to say take a closer look? >> reporter: well, yes, that's correct, alex. it means that she was put on a watch list because her son, his name had been flagged. there was no evidence to suggest that she was actually involved in any sort of terrorist activity. now, just to be clear, there were two instances in which her name came up. the first time apparently was the fbi. this was again 2011 when they had been approached by the fsb to look into her and her son because apparently the russian authorities believe that they were religious militants or people who had been converted and were traveling to russia for any sort of militant activity. the second time her name came
they have said that they were concerned that he had been meeting with a suspected militant here in dagestan. but the fbi maintains they have only been contacted once. >> okay. so tsarnaev's mother, the woman we were just listening to there from chechnya, she's placed on this list. it does not mean she's a suspected terrorist, correct? i mean, she's just a person of interest or there's something that has alerted u.s. authorities to say take a closer look? >> reporter: well, yes,...
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, the cia puts them on a watch list but he has never followed up an guess even though he travels to dagestan, the department of homeland security niece, nobody goes to interview him as far as we can tell. so a year and a half went by he wasn't really monitored at all it raises a question, okay, you're in the kath base but if there's 750,000 people in there, there's no way to discern who's more important, who's less important, what good is it? >> how do investigators balance this extremely complex investigation with making sure that lawmakers, and the public, feel that they are being well informed as well? >> it's very difficult. what we have seen since 9/11 is federal investigators, intelligence community, very hesitant about giving information out that could compromise their investigation. and it's led to this constant tension between the public, between members of congress and between the intelligence agencies. i think they are going to be very, very careful in deciding what pieces of information to dribble out. i think you will see more of that as we get closer to when the court proceedin
, the cia puts them on a watch list but he has never followed up an guess even though he travels to dagestan, the department of homeland security niece, nobody goes to interview him as far as we can tell. so a year and a half went by he wasn't really monitored at all it raises a question, okay, you're in the kath base but if there's 750,000 people in there, there's no way to discern who's more important, who's less important, what good is it? >> how do investigators balance this extremely...